I deviate from my church planting blogging to bring you a special post. It’s bold and raw, but what do you expect?
Warm weather has broken out and my eyes are already tired.
I am tired of seeing so many butts and boobs. From age 11 up…it is the trend. As a man…this is not good.
And I have tried to train my eyes to “bounce” as the “Every Man’s Battle” book teaches. Sometimes I win, sometimes I linger too long.
I know it is the style.
I know it is hard to find clothes for your precious little girls who need to fit in.
I know that they will fight you.
But men lusting after any women, much less teenagers [or younger] is not what you want.
But it is what happens. They are lusted after 98.9% of the time. The only boys that aren’t lusting are like 1st grade boys who think girls really do have cooties.
And for all of the sexual pedophiles out there…they are loving it when you dress your baby girls like that. Just letting you know this.
I am not trying to be crude. I am not trying to be legalistic. I don’t dress my girls in culottes.
A recent shopping trip with our girls at Easton Mall was not easy. If you work hard and don’t say yes to everything, it can be done. It takes hard work and good hearts of our girls to balance fashion and modesty.
I have seen many Moms though who push their kids to dress way ahead of their age and appropriateness! HUSBANDS…SPEAK UP…BE A MAN! You are actually a better filter than your wife normally on this stuff, because you know how visual YOU are.
Now picture everyone looking at your little girls…because everyone you and I gawk at is someone’s daughter, regardless of age!
**This could be part of the reason why every 2 minutes someone is sexually assaulted in the United States. [I am in NO WAY blaming women for this either...please don't jump there. But lots of exposed flesh is not helping the cause]. I too was a victim of sexual abuse by a female babysitter when I was young, and I was fully clothed at the time just for the record.
How can we help change this?
Let’s start by not giving eye candy for free. Work hard to balance modesty and fashion. It’s a chore, I know. My kids are in the latest fashions, but we draw a line on how much flesh can be hanging out!
Keep the boobs and butts locked up as much as possible until the prince of her dreams gets the desires of HIS HEART ALONE in marriage.
So…are the shorts and shirts getting ridiculous to you or is it just me?
You’re a real jerk, you know that?
“It’s a chore, I know.” NO, you don’t. You have no idea what it is like AT ALL. Nobody has ever stared at your butt and then blamed you for it because of the way you were dressed. All you know is that your erections are sinful but they aren’t your fault because you can blame them on women. Like how you blame sexual assault on the way women dress.
CLOTHING is not “part of the reason why every 2 minutes someone is sexually assaulted in the United States.” If anything, attitudes just like yours are the reason women are afraid to report rape, because people just like you will ask what she was wearing, why she was out at night, what she did to cause the rapist to rape her.
You are appalling. Oh, you don’t make your daughters wear culottes? Congratulations, you’ve found an arbitrary line to draw. Too bad you have the same fundamental attitudes about women as a man who makes his daughters wear a burka.
Maybe since boobs and butts don’t belong to you, you ought to let WOMEN decide whether and when to have them “locked up,” eh? But in your mind, they *do* belong to you, don’t they? As the father, or the husband. Or to other fathers and husbands. Or at least, they belong to SOME man, SOMEwhere. Even if he’s just the potential future husband, right?
Whoever makes decisions about what a woman wears and how much of her body is showing, it definitely shouldn’t be a woman.
Thanks for your comments! And I don’t think I am a jerk nor appalling. I also don’t blame women for rape. But skimpy clothes are not helping our daughters with hormone crazed boys. If you think so…well, that is something for you to walk through. Striking a balance between modesty, fashion and common sense was my point.
Chazz. I can hear in your post that you think you’re being a caring rational person, sadly, thinking like yours is part of the problem. Whatever you think you believe about rape, you included rape statistics in THIS post, indicating that you do link rape and how a woman dresses herself.
Rape is about inflicting physical, emotional, psychological and spiritual pain; it’s about selfishness, entitlement, control, domination, power, hate and fear; it’s about filling an emotional need of the perpetrator without consideration of the feelings/needs/wants of the victim.
Listen carefully, it has NOTHING to do with SEXUAL ATTRACTION.
Rape is perpetrated on women who are covered head to toe, like in some middle eastern countries. Rape has been a problem for centuries, even in times when the current style of dress covered more or even all of the human body.
Men know that women have breasts, vaginas, and butts under their clothing, covering these parts in no way deletes this knowledge. A man with a lust problem will choose to focus on what it is he lusts after, covered or not. What is to be done if a man is sexually aroused by a woman’s hair? Are women now expected to cover their hair? The thoughts and actions of a man are solely his responsibility!
Sexual attraction is not just about the visual, some men are attracted to a laugh, a certain type of voice, a smell, intellect, creativity, a specific personality, the list is endless. If you are suggesting that women should hide from men the parts of themselves that are potentially prey to lust, then we must include everything, which puts women in hiding; much like they’re treated in some middle eastern countries.
Now, let’s address this issue of being visual. I am a woman and I am highly visual, yes, even in matters of sexual attraction. Sexual stimulation through aesthetics is not reserved for male sexuality. Whatever studies you’re about to cite are void, for there has never been a society in which women were safe enough to speak truthfully about their sexuality, besides, the thoughts and actions of a man are solely his responsibility! No matter how many times a day he thinks about sex.
The most disturbing aspect about your way of thinking is that it seems caring and reasonable, but if you carry it to it’s logical conclusion women end up wearing burkas and being held prisoner in their own homes and are still victimized by rapists.
The best way you can protect your daughter is to instill in her that she is a daughter of the King of Kings, valued for this reason alone, loved endlessly by her Heavenly Father who loves all of her, including her body and all it’s parts.
Rebecca…I agree with most everything you say! And yes, I am instilling that in my daughters. I am also instilling them to not walk around half naked until they leave the house and decide for themselves.
This kind of thinking does NOT in any way end up with women wearing Burkas. Not at all. Same argument for christians that having a glass of wine leads to alcoholism. It doesn’t.
Women are visual too. Of course some are. Men as a whole are more visual.
And I fully understand once again that this does not cause rape…but it doesn’t help either. I said that people can be fully clothed…I said that:)
Defending showing butts and boobs too much just doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. BALANCE in all things is probably the best medicine whether you are a Christian or not.
The part I disagree on is that rape has nothing to do with sexual attraction. Of course it does. It is certainly an element. Date rape fits this perfectly. The rape you are describing are people who are YES…much more deeply disturbed. And again, I can defend this as I myself was abused as a man…so this is not just a woman thing. You might not agree…but this we can agree on:
RAPE and SEXUAL ABUSE is vile, and will be done as you said even in countries where people are covered head to toe!
But just as my argument that a glass of wine doesn’t lead to alcoholism…it certainly doesn’t help us stay free from it. Just as revealing clothing doesn’t directly cause a sexual abuse it doesn’t help. But neither are inherently evil.
I appreciate your views and sharing. Really do.
Thanks for the thoughts…appreciate them greatly!
(A few things to preface what I’m about to say. I’m still very young, and very inexperienced. I don’t know everything, and I may say something that isn’t true. Please correct me!)
This is just touching on the end of the post (“This is part of the reason why every 2 minutes someone is sexually assaulted in the United States”).
People should have the right to wear whatever they would like and not have to worry about sexual assault. If someone would like to dress in a more revealing fashion, they should be able to do so. To say that the way one dresses plays a role in their sexual assault is ridiculous.
You know what causes rape? Rapists.
Not the way a person dresses.
Not someone setting their drink down at a party.
Not someone walking to a friends house, bar, party, or any other location alone.
It may not align with your personal ideals, but who are we in inflict our ideas on those who don’t share our religious or moral beliefs?
Agree fully. I am not blaming dressing on rape. But I can tell you as a former law enforcement officer…that the way one dresses DOES affect how one is viewed and certainly can lead to unwanted advances. Who are we to inflict our ideals? When someone is dressing in a revealing way…it inflicts their ideals on ME as well…not just me trying to balance modesty with sound judgement. Trust me, I am anything but trying to cast my ideals on someone.
I didn’t call for a law change, or wearing scarves or hoods. Just said we all need to check ourselves a bit and decide on our own.
Dress your daughters in the way you desire…I could fully clothe my daughters head to toe and they could still get pregnant or God forbid, raped. No doubt. I just want to help them and help others by not making them a walking skin factory for the world to see.
I guess I can see where these other commenters are coming from, but it seems a little extreme. Obviously you are not suggesting that it is ever a woman’s fault if she is raped.
I appreciate your post because it is something that needs to be discussed. I am thankful for a mother who taught me to respect my body and dress modestly. IT CAN BE DONE. One might not be able to shop at the most “trendy” stores, but finding modest, fashinable clothes can be done.
I definitely agree that a woman (or a girl) is responsible for her actions- which includes dressing in a revealing manner. She cannot get upset with stares and unwanted advances if everything about her outfit choice screams “Look at me!!” On the other side, there are some men/boys out there that will gawk and stare no matter how covered a woman is. This world is evil and this cannot always be prevented.
But we CAN do our part to raise a generation of young ladies that will respect themselves and their bodies enough to dress modestly. It will be hard, and they will fight it, but one day they will appreciate it and be thankful for parents that cared. Oh, and by the way other commenters– modesty doesn’t mean being fully covered from head to toe…again, that’s pretty extreme.
As a man, I can tell you…the only way there is not lust from a hormonal boy is…ummm…really never. Fully clothed or not, it is a struggle for men always as you say! When they are fully clothed…many men undress women with their minds. Sad, but true. Great book on this to help men and women who struggle is Every Man’s Battle. Thanks for the comments!
Where do we find the definition for modest? Who decides what is modest dress?
According to Chazz his own lust should be informing our definition of modest.
The danger in this is it subjects women and society to the whims of male sexuality, and where has that gotten us? Do men really lack the self control needed to coexist with women without making everything about sex? I’m talking about real men, good men, not evil men who victimize others.
Rebecca:
Really? My own lust? I didn’t write this out of my own lust. Please re-read.
I as a man will struggle with certain sin and you as a women will as well.
I never defined modesty…it’s up to you. No one can. I am trying to get us to think about this so our hearts can be shaped. I would have a list of rules…that is what pharisees do. So let’s try to shape hearts, inform and dialogue. I am smart enough to know this is an endless argument…so at least thinking through it will help us all, don’t you think?
And until Jesus returns, I hate to say it…for most men, everything is about sex. I am not sure where you live at…but in my world, that is the UNFORTUNATE fact! And I say that not to be cute or snazzy, but that is the reality of this world.
Obviously everyone is free to make their own choices. I’m a woman who is free to wear whatever I want. And I know that there are men out there who WILL respond to certain kinds of dress, and some of them are so enslaved to sin that they may pose a threat if triggered in this way! Sometimes I do wear revealing clothes, but I do so when I am out with my husband, under his protection. This is about choosing to protect myself. When it comes to the children we are raising, we’d better take some measures to protect them! We can’t influence what others do, but we have responsibility to guide and protect our own kids. My daughter will eventually leave my home and make her own choices about clothing, but while she is my responsibility, I will certainly be guiding her clothing choices! My son will likewise leave my home, and be responsible for his action and attitudes, but while he is in my home I will teach him to view females as sisters and mothers and daughters to be honored and respected, no matter what we are doing or wearing.
I’m amazed at this culture that is so drunk on “personal freedom” that it no longer desires to take any responsibility for personal actions. So we keep blaming others and even daring each other to make the wrong choice, instead of working to help each other be safe and do good. Thank you, Charles, for standing against this trend.
Wait, when someone dresses in a revealing way, they are “inflicting their ideals on [you],” but when you tell them how to dress, you are “anything but trying to cast [your] ideals on someone?”
Tell me, how does that work? People just doing things their own way are inflicting their ideals on you, but when you tell them to do things your way, you’re just… what? What is it you’re doing besides inflicting your ideals on them, because honestly I’m at a loss.
“We all need to check ourselves a bit.” — You mean we all need to check our women a bit. You don’t need to check what you’re wearing. It’s just SO none of a man’s business what a woman wears. You keep harping on “daughters” because it’s the only thing you have a right to influence… but you’re not out there ogling your own daughters, you’re ogling other peoples’ daughters. And you’re happy to blame the women, or their fathers, or anyone but yourself for your wandering eyes.
Annie, a woman CAN get upset with stares and unwanted advances even if her clothes scream “look at me!” It doesn’t matter what a woman is wearing, it’s STILL rude to stare and make cat calls, etc. Men don’t have a right to jettison their manners just because somebody’s butt or cleavage or belly button is showing.
Emily, I’m concerned about what you could mean by “this culture[...] is so drunk on ‘personal freedom’ that it no longer desires to take any responsibility for personal actions.” I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. It seems, though, like you are saying that our culture is “drunk on” the “personal freedom” of women to dress provocatively, and yet does not hold women responsible for their “personal actions” i.e. choosing to dress provocatively. Yet you say many men are “enslaved to sin” and so they pose a threat. This implies they are not responsible for their own actions, because they are “slaves” to “sin.” Why not hold them responsible for their “personal actions?”
I’m not inflicting any judgement…I asked people to reflect on how they are dressing. And no, I am doing my best to not oogle other’s daughter’s. You are a man…have you never oogled?
I am asking for people to reflect and decide….not inflict my morals on anyone. We have a responsibility to raise our kids and I want to be the best to give them a moral framework to deal with when they have the freedom to choose. Which they have a lot of now…I am not that kind of parent in any way if you only knew.
Thanks for the dialogue and blessings today!
Wow. Dear everyone with hasty, hostile responses to this post.
1. This is a blog, which means the person who writes the blog has free speech to write about what he pleases, hence the whole purpose of a blog.
2. Maybe you ladies and gents should actually read this whole post, not just once but possibly twice, before jumping to conclusions and down the bloggers throat. Charles clearly stated that he is in no way shape or form blaming rape/sexual assault, or mans lustful eyes on woman and the way they dress. (However, yes it does have an effect) He’s merely sharing his opinion and being open and real. No judgments were made.
I find it very interesting how quick people are to get defensive, I myself am a young woman, who gets “looked” at rather often. I wear what I like and feel comfortable in. However I am aware that that what I wear can have an effect on men and even woman, it’s good to be aware of this, especially believers so that you do not cause your brother or sister to stumble. Again Charles was simply stating his opinions and thoughts on this whole matter. He has daughters of his own and as a father he merely wants to protect them and instill in them the beauty in which Christ has made them. They are Gods princesses and should be cherished. Not lusted over. Unfortunately, yes, it will happen, and it sucks. But why not show the young beautiful girls in our lives, whether they be our daughters, sisters, nieces or friends, the worth that they have. The worth that comes from within, not from what they are wearing….
Anyhow, I’m done ranting. Thanks Charles for sharing your heart.
Thanks for jumping in and not jumping to conclusions:) Keep living it out loud!
Great post! It goes to show how desensitized people are to cultures ideals. McDonald’s puts up a pic of a giant juicy Big Mac to get us want a Big mac, Coca Cola puts up a pic of a ice cold coke, and Budweiser put up a bikini girl!!….. Its a all about marketing world. so how are we going to market our self’s,.. our daughters,…. and not pay the consequences of a subliminal or no so subliminal marketing campaign.
As the Momma of 11 and 9 yr old girls, I applaud you! It is hard to find clothes modest enough to pass my standards, even less their Daddy’s standards. (and I thought mine were high!)
I hate going shopping for clothes, especially dresses and finding very little difference between the girls’ section and the women’s. Sometimes it seems the only differences are price and size.
If it’s not modest enough for me to wear, I won’t be letting my children wear it.
(To add to my last comment….yes, I agree that men are responsible for where they allow their eyes to linger. But it is my, and every other woman’s responsibility to not dress in a way that makes men want their eyes to linger.
The very women who would dress inappropriately are the one who call men “jerks” and “perverts” for looking at, ogling and at times just plain staring at what the woman is showing for free.
My question: How are the attitudes and opinions (expressed here and else where) that much different than those in 1920s, 50s, etc.? When viewing the culture of day.
This is not new thinking.
The same o’l “Those youngsters” (said in an old granny voice)
Why don’t christian’s think differently?
I’m not saying liberal/progress nor am I saying conservative/hatred?
Great question Bill…I do think differently than most Christians I believe. It’s not a matter of time and date…modesty DOES change with generations and even my kids know the difference. I knew what was right and what was pushing it and what was probably flat out wrong back when I was that youngster…but I didn’t do it. Now that I am more mature, I still don’t always do it, but I have come to the place where I want to more often.
It’s not a generational thing…that will change…it’s something that we are building into our society and I want us to think about it.
I also don’t believe it is a Christian thing. Even non-Christians will shake their heads at some of the fashions…they just might not speak up and question it.
Great question though!
First… great post! I’m a woman, and I don’t want to see all that either.
Let’s just say that it is, in fact, up to the woman how much skin she wishes to display to the world around her. Even so, it shouldn’t be up to a 10 – 13 year old girl – that’s up to her parents, who have the right to teach her about modesty as she sees fit. It’s very difficult (I’m told) to find modest clothing for young girls so they can continue to be children for as long as they can.
Taking the “if she wants to she should be able to dress however she wants to” argument out of it, I think respect is key – not only for a woman/young girl to learn to respect themselves and save the most intimate parts of themselves (inside and out) for their husbands – but also out of respect for the men around them. Isn’t the Bible clear about not causing our fellow believers to stumble (1 Corinthians 8, Matthew 18, Luke 17)? I’m not so worried about the lost – they are, well, lost. But if what I’m wearing causes a brother to lust, aren’t I just as guilty as he is?
Thanks Chazz for speaking up……..especially through the eyes of a dad. As a mom of two adult daughters age 27 and 28 they would tell you I still speak up when I think they should think about what they are wearing when they go out. And when they were young girls you can guarantee I had a dress code for them. Not always what their “peers” were wearing but I wouldn’t go back and do it different today. And I think if you were to ask them they would say that they survived and are better for it. Even today they would tell you mama don’t play that…then or now!
I completely understand where you are coming from. Women know when they are dressing to attract attention from men. I know because I am a female and in the past, I have done it. I wore very revealing clothes out to bars so that men would look at me and hopefully like me…and then (ha ha) want to get to “know” me. They did want to know me all right–in a biblical way! And, then, I would get offended when they made sexual advances.
I am now the mother of three little girls, so my thought process has changed.
Think about it like this. If you have a friend that is on a diet, are you going to go to their house eating a gigantic ice cream sundae?
If you have a friend who is an alcoholic, are you going to go out to dinner with them and order a beer?
Hopefully, you won’t, because you don’t want to tempt them.
ALL men struggle with lusting. So, isn’t it ok to tell our girls not to tempt them with that “ice cream sundae”? I think it is!!
I thank you so much for this post, not only as a mother of three girls, but also as a WIFE to a man who also goes through Every Man’s Battle.
This is a great post. For those who don’t like it, I’m sorry, but it’s about real life, not the utopian world they might dream of.
I have asked my teen daughter a few times, “What are you selling?” Harsh, I know, but sometimes that’s what it takes to get through to her. And she’s more modest in her attire than many of her friends, and they’re all home schooled. And no, we don’t wear skirts, etc. Jeans, tanks and tops are enough, thank you.
Anyway, just want to say thanks for saying it like it is. Blessings.
there is a limit to what girls should wear according to their age i think.. As far as the rape that goes on it’s not exactly what you wear it’s the rapists themselves who are the problem; It does’nt matter if you are a girl or a boy , it’s gonna happen. i was sexually molested as a child and i was’nt wearing an outfit that said come and rape me. It’s up to the parents to protect them. Let god do the rest.
I get where you’re coming from on some level, but if we’re to be honest it grates on me more than words can say when an man feels that they have or should have a say in how a female dresses.
These kinds of blogs/posts, etc… generally leave me with a bad taste, rarely do they go over well, and generally whats thought of by one person as “Immodest” is no where near that claim for another. (For example we had a young woman in our church who wore clothing that fit, {not tight, fitted} and was chastised by a few of the older women to the point that she no longer attends. Its sad, that we feel our judgement should come above salvation and God-given grace.) Taking in generational and cultural customs also paints modesty differently as well.
But aside from that, I have to call out the whole idea that these women dressing the way they do is what causes men to “look”. No, your own wandering eyes cause you to look, these ladies may help you with a place for those eyes to land, by the only one responsible for those actions/lusts are the owners of those eyes. I’m a big believer in personal responsibility, in that we don’t try to explain our own failures and sins away because of others. We alone are in control of what we do and say.
That said, (and in no way am I meaning this in a mean way) it can’t help but be noticed that in your picture you’re in a muscle shirt. Since your face doesn’t appear chubby I’ll assume you’re fit on some level. And during the summer we see plenty of men out in their muscle shirts showing off some very muscular arms. In my way of thinking, when someone wears a muscle shirt paired with muscular arms, they’re trying to gain attention from that. You can look around and see women taking second looks at men dressed this way, is that not the same thing? Why is it immodest for a woman to show off her “assets” an not the same for a man?
However you RARELY see any articles about this type of “immodesty”. I doubt you will see anyone address this, and more specifically any woman address this. Generally because I think the majority of us (women) recognize that we are responsible for our actions, and chose not to place any level of responsibility on someone else for our sins. I don’t think we can even blame this fully on the men in our Christian circles, its been this generational teaching that they’ve received that seems to influence this. From the time of eve its been the whole women are the “originators of sin” attitude that still carries today.
Today’s Christian society seems too eager to explain away sin, to place the “blame” for it on the actions and clothing of others. Its been a trend lately to see these types of posts about the immodesty of girls and the sin they cause in others.
Tracy…men will look regardless…you are correct! Fully clothed or scantily clad…spot on. I AGREE!
So if I am struggling with this…then those who are not setting a standard are indulging, trust me.
My point was NOT that it was causing me to sin. This blame game goes on far to long. I am not placing the blame at all by any means.
And yes…my pic that I had taken for my wife I cropped down for that very reason! I didn’t want to expose much…my same argument I follow myself unless I am at the beach or somewhere appropriate.
I am not trying to be trendy…I am concerned about how short everything is getting year by year. Call me old…crap, I guess I am that guy now…but really? The clothes for women are made to expose more and more and more and more.
Not blaming them anywhere in my article…just trying to bring to light that we are parents need to help draw a line. The blame for sin is in the heart of the person…but for heaven’s sake…showing too much boob or butt doesn’t help the matter!
And for those ladies in your church…they need to get a life.
I believe in shaping the heart, not a list of rules…that is what my post is about…so let’s shape some hearts.
But for the love of Jelly Beans…showing too much doesn’t help the girl or the guy in any way! how much is too much…that is line I won’t define, but shorts up a butt crack and seeing all but nipples is probably not helpful in any way.
I am not part of the problem…I hope I am part of the solution for parents and I say that in love.
I’m glad you hold yourself to the same standard you’ve set for women, however I think the main point of my comment was missed. I don’t see posts out about the way men dress, about whether their actions/looks are causing others to “fall into sin” so to speak. Even this post was solely directed at women and their choice of clothing. Women are constantly harped on for “indulging” men, be we very rarely if ever see them receive the same treatment/scolding.
Agreed! It isn’t as large a problem for men probably…but I am open to you writing one:)
Besides young boys sagging their pants [if they only knew where it originated...], there doesn’t seem to be as much an issue…maybe that is why.
I feel like people are missing the point here. This message was written as means of RESPECTING women and not just objectifying them and taking part in looking at them ONLY for Body Parts.
I agree that its not as large of a problem regarding boys and their clothing, but then again we haven’t been taught through the generations that men are the ones that cause women to fall.
Men need to take responsibility for their own sin, rather than scold a woman for “indugling” their sins. If its about teaching respect, then teach respect, show equality in how we speak to our future generations rather than placing blame on them.
I totally get what you are trying to say…. As a child and teenage victim of abuse myself, I am particularly sensitive to this topic…couple my
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couple my past with the realities of raising two daughters and I am a “liberal, free-thinking, ” woman’s nightmare. Seriously, it wasn’t my fault I was sexually abused just as it isn’t the fault of any other victim. Each person is responsible for their own choices, and I don’t hear in your blog anywhere you say otherwise. I think as you do, however, given the rampantness of sexual abuse in our culture, it makes common sense, regardless of your religious background or set of morals to protect your kids from perpetrators as well as helping them understand their sexuality as a gift that not everyone in the world has a right to partake in even if it’s just visually. Also, I want to add that I think women and girls (myself included) understand that men are visual a drawn to a woman by how she looks. As a result, we are tempted to draw attention to ourselves through dress in order to feel desirable or beautiful, valuable, in essence find some sort of life through the attainment of that attention. I have come to understand though that how I dress should be an expression of who I already know I am. I am loved and have inherent value due to what my life cost the One who made me. Because of that love He has for me, I desire to want to love others, and one aspect of that in regards to my brothers is to not put my personal freedom above my love and concern for those around me and how they struggle. I will add, too, even as a woman I am often uncomfortable around other women who have everything hanging out for the world too see. As women we tend to struggle in our culture with self image and comparing ourselves to each other. In response to your honest post, I’ll be honest and admit I don’t find it helpful in my pursuit to be content with how I am made to be bombarded with other women’s parts in my face either. Thanks for posting. Sorry you got verbally assaulted, but I’m not surprised. 
I am going to be much more general and hope you all see the light of you positions… We have become so influenced by the material aspect of our lives and yet don’t understand.
I do agree there are some inappropriate fashion out there but that is as far as I will go on this.
Adam and Eve were both naked and had no problem until they violated a rule… It was how that thought that became the sin not what they lack! Too much flesh… Why didn’t God make full clothing in the first place instead of a simple fig leaf covering?
We just need to know when and where it is appropriate for the fashion at hand.
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